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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
           HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS                                                                          
                        February 5, 2007                                                                                        
                           3:31 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Mike Hawker, Chair                                                                                               
Representative Anna Fairclough, Vice Chair                                                                                      
Representative Bob Roses                                                                                                        
Representative Paul Seaton                                                                                                      
Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                     
Representative Max Gruenberg                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Sharon Cissna                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
PRESENTATION BY OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT & BUDGET                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JOHN BOUCHER, Senior Economist                                                                                                  
Office of Management & Budget                                                                                                   
Office of the Governor                                                                                                          
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented an overview of future state                                                                      
revenue and budget trends and answered questions.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MELANIE MILLHORN, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                           
Department of Administration                                                                                                    
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented an overview of future state                                                                      
spending on retirement and benefit funds and answered questions.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHARLENE MORRISON, Chief Financial Officer                                                                                      
Division of Retirement and Benefits                                                                                             
Department of Administration                                                                                                    
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Explained an accounting matter related to                                                                  
budget projections.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
JANET CLARKE, Assistant Commissioner                                                                                            
Department of Health and Social Services                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Presented  an  overview  of  future  state                                                              
spending for the state Medicaid program.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MIKE HAWKER  called the House Special Committee  on Ways and                                                            
Means  to order  at 3:31:04  PM.   Representatives Roses,  Seaton,                                                            
Fairclough,  and  Wilson  were  present  at  the  call  to  order.                                                              
Representative Gruenberg arrived as the meeting was in progress.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:31:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^Presentation by Office of Management & Budget                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HAWKER  noted that  one  of  the  committee's tasks  is  to                                                              
consider  how   to  reconcile  future  expenditures   with  future                                                              
revenues.    This  task requires  setting  the  stage  and  making                                                              
judgment  calls  to help  determine  future  fiscal policy.    The                                                              
information presented  today may  provide a background  for future                                                              
policy discussions, he said.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:35:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  BOUCHER, Senior  Economist,  Office of  Management &  Budget                                                              
(OMB),  Office of  the Governor,  paraphrased  from the  following                                                              
written testimony [original punctuation provided]:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     First of  all I want to  say that the Governor  supports                                                                   
     the   efforts  of   this   committee   to  address   the                                                                   
     structural  budget   issues  that  face  the   State  of                                                                   
     Alaska.   These meetings  are important  in framing  the                                                                   
     discussion  about  what  options the  state  has  moving                                                                   
     forward.      The  administration   looks   forward   to                                                                   
     continuing  this conversation  that is  critical to  the                                                                   
     future of Alaskans.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     In  attempting  to  address   the  Committee's  question                                                                   
     "Where  did the  fiscal  gap go?"  The  answer might  be                                                                   
     summarized best  by saying that  the fiscal gap  has not                                                                   
     "gone"  anywhere-  It  is  an issue  that  needs  to  be                                                                   
     addressed.  While timeframes  and  revenue pictures  may                                                                   
     have  changed, the  fundamental  issues surrounding  the                                                                   
     fiscal gap have not.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Most of  the fiscal plans crafted  in the last  20 years                                                                   
     have   emphasized    a   combination   of    controlling                                                                   
     government  spending,  setting  aside  Alaska's  surplus                                                                   
     revenues for  use during times  when revenue  is scarce,                                                                   
     and   examining   options  for   diversifying   Alaska's                                                                   
     revenue  base  to  help  offset   the  impact  that  the                                                                   
     declining  Prudhoe  Bay production  curve  has on  state                                                                   
     revenue                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Governor  Palin's  FY08  budget  proposal  represents  a                                                                   
     move toward  meeting two of  the objectives  mentioned -                                                                   
     controlling  the growth of  spending and putting  away a                                                                   
     portion  of the projected  surplus for  use at a  future                                                                   
     date. While the  details of the FY08 plan are  yet to be                                                                   
     determined, the  Administration looks forward  to having                                                                   
     the  conversations   necessary   to  help  achieve   the                                                                   
     desired results  of controlling government  spending and                                                                   
     setting  surplus revenue  aside  for use  in the  future                                                                   
     while  providing the  level  of services  that  Alaskans                                                                   
     deem appropriate.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:37:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HAWKER  reminded the committee  and the public  that today's                                                              
presentation  will be more  of a macro  overview of  budget issues                                                              
and noted  that he had  requested that  OMB address the  issues of                                                              
the  Public Employees'  Retirement  System  (PERS), the  Teachers'                                                              
Retirement  System  (TRS),  and  the Alaska  Medicaid  State  Plan                                                              
(Medicaid).   The decision  to emphasize  these areas  of spending                                                              
should not  be characterized as  a policy call; however,  he noted                                                              
that these  issues are  important ones  that the legislature  must                                                              
address.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. BOUCHER  referred to an  OMB PowerPoint presentation  that was                                                              
provided  to   the  committee.     He  directed   the  committee's                                                              
attention  to a  graph titled,  "Total  Appropriations by  Revenue                                                              
Source,"  which  shows  four  main categories  of  revenue.    Mr.                                                              
Boucher  explained the  categories as  follows [paraphrasing  from                                                              
written testimony; original punctuation provided]:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     The top or  dark blue bar is revenues  appropriated from                                                                   
     the Alaska Permanent Fund.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Permanent  Fund appropriations  include the monies  made                                                                   
     available for  the annual dividend as well  as inflation                                                                   
     proofing    the   fund.       Operational   costs    for                                                                   
     administering the  fund and the hold  harmless provision                                                                   
     are accounted for here.  (Amerada Hess is excluded)                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     The  lighter  colored  bar  that is  2nd  from  the  top                                                                   
     represents  federal  funds in  the  state budget.    For                                                                   
     federal  funds, it is  critical to  understand that  the                                                                   
     number  presented  represents   the  amount  that  state                                                                   
     programs are  authorized to use in federal  funds during                                                                   
     the  budget  cycle.    Actual   federal  receipts  spent                                                                   
     during a  fiscal year often  come in at a  significantly                                                                   
     different level  depending on  a number of factors  such                                                                   
     as  the  number of  eligible  participants  in  programs                                                                   
     that are partially paid for by federal funds.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     The red  colored bar  is other state  funds.  The  other                                                                   
     funds  portion  includes  revenue  that  is  statutorily                                                                   
     restricted  for  use  by  a  particular  program.    For                                                                   
     example  tuition receipts  from  the  University is  one                                                                   
     example  of this  type of  funds.   This  is also  where                                                                   
     appropriations  of  proceeds from  the  sale of  general                                                                   
     obligation or Tobacco bonds would be counted.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     The  bottom, or light  blue bar  represents the  General                                                                   
     Fund,                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     It  is important  to understand  that  when most  people                                                                   
     are  talking  about  Alaska's  fiscal  gap  -  they  are                                                                   
     talking about the light blue bar in the picture-                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     The  "fiscal   gap"  is  most   often  defined   as  the                                                                   
     relationship  between   the  amount  of   general  funds                                                                   
     appropriated  in any one fiscal  year and the  amount of                                                                   
     unrestricted  general fund  revenue accrued  in any  one                                                                   
     fiscal year.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  referenced  the  graph  titled,  "Total                                                              
Appropriations by  Revenue Source,"  and asked if  federal funding                                                              
is increasing at a rate greater than inflation.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. BOUCHER replied  that it appears that Alaska  received more in                                                              
fiscal year  (FY) 2007  than in FY00.   He did  note that  as past                                                              
chair  of the  U.S.  Senate  Committee on  Appropriations,  Alaska                                                              
Senator  Ted  Stevens  was  able to  secure  federal  funding  for                                                              
Alaska.   However,  the "future  may  not look  quite so  bright,"                                                              
cautioned Mr. Boucher.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HAWKER  expanded on the  issue of available  federal funding                                                              
by  noting that  previous  legislatures  did not  spend  a lot  of                                                              
federal  funds  available to  the  state.   Therefore,  the  House                                                              
Finance  Committee refinanced  some program  changes, in  Medicaid                                                              
for example, to take advantage of available federal funding.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:42:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG suggested  he  would like  to review  in                                                              
the  future  the  concept  of taking  full  advantage  of  federal                                                              
funding opportunities as one way to raise revenue for the state.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HAWKER  stated he endorsed  this type of future  discussion,                                                              
for in the future  there may very likely be a  decrease in federal                                                              
funds for Alaska.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BOUCHER  concurred  with  Chair   Hawker's  observation  that                                                              
future federal  funding may not continue  at the same level  as in                                                              
the past.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:44:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  noted   that  the  committee  needs  to                                                              
carefully examine  federal funding because  there may be  ways for                                                              
the state  to continue to  receive federal funding  without having                                                              
to accept some  of the restrictions the federal  government places                                                              
on  those funds.    He referenced  a  recent  House State  Affairs                                                              
Standing Committee  hearing on driving  while under  the influence                                                              
issues  in which  it became  clear that  if the state  did not  do                                                              
some things it did  not want to do anyway, it  would still receive                                                              
the same  amount of federal  funding, but with less  restrictions,                                                              
said Representative Gruenberg.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ROSES   confirmed  this  and  noted   the  federal                                                              
funding referred  to by  Representative Gruenberg  was put  into a                                                              
different spending category, but "we didn't lose it."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:47:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HAWKER  pointed out  that the  FY07 appropriations  shown in                                                              
the  graph  titled,  "Total  Appropriations  by  Revenue  Source,"                                                              
reflects appropriations  of $500 million into the  Education Fund,                                                              
$183  million into  the Power  Cost Equalization  Fund (PCE),  and                                                              
$300 million  into the  Capital Savings Account.   In  general, in                                                              
order  to save  money,  the  legislature  has to  appropriate  it,                                                              
noted Chair Hawker,  which is part of the reason  why the spending                                                              
for FY07 looks high on the graph.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:51:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BOUCHER  drew the committee's  attention to the  graph titled,                                                              
"General Fund Revenue  versus Appropriations."  He  explained that                                                              
until  oil price  increases  began  in FY04,  it  was routine  for                                                              
general  fund  appropriations  to exceed  general  fund  revenues.                                                              
Indeed, draws  from the Constitutional  Budget Reserve  Fund (CBR)                                                              
were  taken  eight  times between  1994-2004  to  cover  spending.                                                              
This  resulted  in  an  accumulated  draw from  the  CBR  of  $5.2                                                              
billion, he said.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HAWKER observed  that oil  prices were  "in single  digits"                                                              
during a couple of those years.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:52:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BOUCHER  explained that the  FY08 appropriations shown  on the                                                              
graph titled,  "General Fund  Revenue versus Appropriations,"  are                                                              
interim  numbers  because  the  governor  is  in  the  process  of                                                              
developing  an amended  FY08 proposal.   The  graph shows  that if                                                              
spending is  held level for the  next 8 years, there will  have to                                                              
be a  draw from the  CBR in FY10;  by FY15  the draw from  the CBR                                                              
would be near $1 billion annually.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BOUCHER then  drew  the committee's  attention  to the  chart                                                              
prepared  by the  Legislative  Finance Division  titled,  "General                                                              
Fund Budget."   In  reference to some  abbreviations shown  on the                                                              
chart,  Mr. Boucher  explained that  PEF is  the Public  Education                                                              
Fund, ADRF  is the Alaska Debt  Retirement Fund, PCE is  the Power                                                              
Cost  Equalization  Program,  and   AHFC  is  the  Alaska  Housing                                                              
Finance  Corporation.     Mr.  Boucher   noted  that   the  budget                                                              
projections shown assume  a 4 percent annual rate  of growth and a                                                              
capital  budget of  $200 million  annually.   He  said that  under                                                              
this  scenario, draws  on the  CBR  will reach  $1 billion  around                                                              
2010, or about  five years earlier than predicted  in the scenario                                                              
presented  in  the  graph titled,  "General  Fund  Revenue  versus                                                              
Appropriations."    He  pointed   out  that  neither  scenario  is                                                              
necessarily  better than  the other;  the  scenarios just  reflect                                                              
different  outcomes  depending  on budget  decisions  and  revenue                                                              
sources.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BOUCHER suggested  to  the  committee that  a  better way  to                                                              
represent  the effect  of  spending choices  is  presented in  the                                                              
matrix  titled,  "Constitutional  Budget Reserve  Runout  Matrix."                                                              
This matrix predicts  how long the CBR will last  depending on the                                                              
state's spending level  and the price of oil.   He emphasized that                                                              
the critical  assumptions in  this scenario  are that  all surplus                                                              
revenue  will go  into the  CBR,  and all  revenue shortfall  will                                                              
come  out of  the CBR.   Mr.  Boucher agreed  with Chair  Hawker's                                                              
observation that  this approach  simplifies future predictions  by                                                              
only specifying one savings account.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:59:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BOUCHER responded  to Representative  Seaton  by noting  that                                                              
the OMB projections  for future oil prices and  production volumes                                                              
were  taken from  the Department  of Revenue's  Fall 2006  Revenue                                                            
Sources Book.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HAWKER   noted  that  the   Department  of   Revenue  (DOR)                                                              
forecasts  include both oil  price and  production variables,  and                                                              
asked  if the  figures on  the matrix  take  both those  variables                                                              
into account.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BOUCHER  assured  Chair  Hawker  that  the  OMB  summary  did                                                              
incorporate the  DOR variables  of oil price  and production.   He                                                              
continued  by advising  that it  is possible  to maintain  the CBR                                                              
until  FY 2020  if the  current oil  forecast price  holds and  if                                                              
spending can be  kept somewhere between $3.7-$4  billion annually.                                                              
The governor's  initial FY  2008 budget falls  in that  range, but                                                              
Mr. Boucher  acknowledged that  keeping spending  flat would  be a                                                              
challenging  task and require  some significant  changes  in state                                                              
spending patterns.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. BOUCHER emphasized  that although there are  many factors that                                                              
exert  pressure  on state  spending,  today's hearing  would  only                                                              
address  two specific  forces: increased  Medicaid  costs and  the                                                              
PERS/TRS unfunded  liability.   Mr. Boucher  stressed that  in the                                                              
proposed  FY08 budget,  PERS/TRS  payments are  estimated at  one-                                                              
third  of  total  state  spending.     This  one-third  figure  is                                                              
understated  because  it  excludes  PERS/TRS  increases  prior  to                                                              
FY08.   For  example, legislative  increases to  the student  base                                                              
funding  allocation are  not  included in  the  pie chart  titled,                                                              
"The PERS/TRS/Medicaid challenges."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HAWKER  observed that over  the last four years  the student                                                              
base  allocation  has  increased  by 33  percent,  or  about  $250                                                              
million per  year, with a  very large portion  of that  going into                                                              
these retirement funds.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON advised  that if PERS/TRS  was included  in                                                              
the education  foundation  formula, it would  increase funding  by                                                              
$1,005 per student.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:03:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MELANIE    MILLHORN,    Deputy   Commissioner,    Department    of                                                              
Administration,  directed  the  committee  to  the  chart  titled,                                                              
"PERS Projected  Contribution Amounts to  FY 2015."   Ms. Millhorn                                                              
advised  the committee  that the  predictions made  on this  chart                                                              
were based  on data from June 30,  2005, which is the  most recent                                                              
information available  to the Department of  Administration (DOA).                                                              
Based on  that data,  there is  a $6.9  billion shortfall  in PERS                                                              
contribution  rates.    However,   in  October  2006,  the  Alaska                                                              
Retirement   Management   Board   (ARM  Board)   commissioned   an                                                              
"experience" study  of the PERS contribution history.   This study                                                              
compared the  actual experience of  the system to  the assumptions                                                              
used.  Based  on this study, the projected unfunded  liability for                                                              
PERS/TRS rose to  $8.6 billion, said Ms. Millhorn.   She cautioned                                                              
the  committee  that  because  the  state did  not  fund  "at  the                                                              
actuarial  calculated  rate"  for  FY05-07, there  was  a  funding                                                              
shortfall  of  about  $750  million.   As  a  result,  warned  Ms.                                                              
Millhouse,  the actual  costs  for  FY09 will  be  higher than  is                                                              
shown on the chart.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MILLHORN referred  to the  now-repealed 2  AAC 35.900,  which                                                              
limited PERS  employer contributions  from increasing more  than 5                                                              
percentage  points in  any one  given year.   The  effect of  this                                                              
now-repealed regulation  can be  seen on the previously  mentioned                                                              
chart as employer  contribution amounts only went up  by 5 percent                                                              
annually.     The  ARM  Board   has  now  adopted   the  actuarial                                                              
calculated rate  using a level  dollar amortization  schedule, Ms.                                                              
Millhorn informed the committee.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HAWKER  observed  that  this   change  explains  the  large                                                              
increase in  PERS contributions predicted  for FY08, and  the more                                                              
level spending predicted for FY08-15.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:07:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FAIRCLOUGH  asked whether  there  was any  similar                                                              
chart for  1994 forward, and whether  it used the  same escalation                                                              
factor of about 5 percent.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. MILLHORN  stated the  DOA does have  that information  and can                                                              
provide  it to the  committee.   Beginning with  the valuation  in                                                              
2001,  the   PERS  system  was   100.9  percent  funded,   so  the                                                              
contribution  rate was  a minimal  6.77 percent,  which was  below                                                              
the normal cost rate.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FAIRCLOUGH,  in   trying  to  ascertain  the  cost                                                              
escalation  of the  benefit portion  of PERS/TRS,  asked if  there                                                              
was some history showing past increases.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  Millhorn   answered  that  the  DOA's   comprehensive  annual                                                              
financial reports  show the trend  of the benefit increases.   She                                                              
explained  that  approximately  2,000  members  retire  each  year                                                              
under PERS/TRS, so "yes, that amount goes up each year."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FAIRCLOUGH,  in  reference  to the  flat  spending                                                              
projections   shown   from   FY08-15,   questioned   whether   the                                                              
projections  calculate front  loading the  program and paying  the                                                              
actual costs  "so that  there is  not a delta"  in between  the $8                                                              
billion shortfall.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. MILLHORN  responded that since the  plan is now closed  it has                                                              
been amortized  over a  25-year period  and each year's  valuation                                                              
will  establish  the  contribution  rate  that  must  be  made  to                                                              
liquidate  the past  service cost.   Ms.  Millhorn explained  that                                                              
there  will be  increased  medical costs  which  will differ  from                                                              
plan  assumptions,   but  calculations  are  done   each  year  to                                                              
determine  how  much needs  to  be  paid  to payoff  the  unfunded                                                              
liability.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HAWKER said  that the  actuaries who  determine the  future                                                              
amortization  rates  for  the  PERS/TRS  liability  do  include  a                                                              
medical  cost escalation  factor  when projecting  future  program                                                              
costs.   This escalation  factor, which  Ms. Millhorn  believes to                                                              
be 9.5  percent, is  factored in  and discounted  back to  achieve                                                              
level funding to  pay off the future liability.   If the state was                                                              
able to  reduce the  inflation factor to  1 percent,  for example,                                                              
there  would   be  an  experience   differential  that   would  be                                                              
incorporated  into  each  subsequent  valuation,  resulting  in  a                                                              
lower future cost estimate, he explained.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:11:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FAIRCLOUGH stated  she  found it  hard to  believe                                                              
that  future  contribution  rates  for PERS/TRS  could  be  fairly                                                              
flat.  The trend  for FY04-07 was an upward trend  that would seem                                                              
to be what we may experience in the future, she opined.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  volunteered  that past  legislatures  were                                                              
informed that the  eventual anticipated payout for  PERS/TRS would                                                              
be  about $15.6  billion more  than  was funded.   Therefore  this                                                              
chart shows  the unfunded  liability amortized  by equal  payments                                                              
until the under-funded amount is paid off.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FAIRCLOUGH   acknowledged  the   calculations  and                                                              
complexities,  but maintained  interest  in  any information  that                                                              
illustrates a track  record of level payments as are  shown on the                                                              
chart titled, "PERS Projected Contribution Amounts to 2015."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:15:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HAWKER  noted that  in past  years the retirement  liability                                                              
was  not fully  funded, but  that policy  changed, which  explains                                                              
the jump in spending between FY07 to FY08.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FAIRCLOUGH  asked Ms.  Millhorn  if  there is  any                                                              
track history of  level payments, or whether that  was affected by                                                              
the prior 5 percent contribution rate increase cap.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MILLHORN   explained  that  there   was  a  percent   of  pay                                                              
contribution  being made  to Tiers  1-3; what  has changed  is the                                                              
amortization  schedule  now that  Tiers  1-3  have closed.    This                                                              
stops the addition  of new members to the plans;  however, medical                                                              
costs  remain the  primary  driver  contributing  to the  unfunded                                                              
liability.   The new  tiers do  not have  the volatility  of prior                                                              
systems,  which eliminates  the  unfunded  liability component  of                                                              
new tiers coming in, she said.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FAIRCLOUGH  asked  why  the  shortfall  was  being                                                              
estimated at  $2 billion more  than was  estimated in 2006,  for a                                                              
total shortfall of $10 billion.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MILLHORN replied  that  the there  will  be many  adjustments                                                              
based  on  the  findings  of  the  "experience  study"  and  these                                                              
adjustments will  be calculated into  a determination of  what the                                                              
liabilities will  be as of June  30, 2006.  The assumption  now is                                                              
that the  liability will  be closer to  $10 billion,  Ms. Millhorn                                                              
concluded.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. MILLHORN agreed  with Chair Hawker's observation  that changes                                                              
to the system are  slow to come because of the  budget process and                                                              
pointed  out that  the  June 30,  2005,  valuation  sets the  FY08                                                              
rate.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FAIRCLOUGH asked  what happens  if the state  does                                                              
not pay the retirement liability at the calculated rate.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MILLHORN  answered  that  if  payment  is  not  made  at  the                                                              
calculated rate,                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     "You  essentially  have not  begun  the process  to  pay                                                                   
     this  off for  that 25-year  period, which  is what  has                                                                   
     happened to  PERS/TRS.  So,  it's really important  that                                                                   
     you hit that  calculated rate and you begin  the process                                                                   
     to liquidate the unfunded liability."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:22:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FAIRCLOUGH   pointed  out  that   a  payment-style                                                              
approach would  result in  a total greater  payment amount  due to                                                              
interest costs.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MILLHORN agreed  and added  that  Buck Consultants  projected                                                              
that  payment  of $500  million  into  the PERS/TRS  system  would                                                              
result  in  a  $680  million  savings   over  the  course  of  the                                                              
amortized schedule.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. MILLHORN  referred to  the graph  titled, "PERS/TRS  Projected                                                              
Contribution Amounts  to FY 2015," which shows a  dramatic jump in                                                              
the  state's contribution  amount  from $174  million  in FY04  to                                                              
$905 million  in FY08.  She  told Chair Hawker that  the actuarial                                                              
valuation  reports  project out  until  the  year 2036,  at  which                                                              
point  the  unfunded  liability  will  be  paid  off.    Once  the                                                              
unfunded liability  is paid off,  the employer resumes  payment at                                                              
the normal  cost rate for the  defined benefit members,  which she                                                              
estimated  to be  about 14.48  percent.   In  comparison, in  FY08                                                              
PERS will be paid at 39.76 percent and TRS at 54.03 percent.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:26:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHARLENE   MORRISON,   Chief  Financial   Officer,   Division   of                                                              
Retirement and  Benefits, Department of Administration,  clarified                                                              
that  the Division  of  Retirement  and  Benefits uses  a  25-year                                                              
amortization schedule,  but it also asks the actuary  to prepare a                                                              
30-year projection.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. MILLHORN added  that the ARM Board is authorized  to adopt the                                                              
amortization  schedule,  and has  adopted  a 25-year  amortization                                                              
schedule.     She   noted  that   generally  accepted   accounting                                                              
principles do  not allow amortization  beyond the  25-year period;                                                              
however the  ARM Board did  look at the  effect of payment  of the                                                              
unfunded  liability over  a  30-year period.    To extend  payment                                                              
from 25  to 30  years increases  the total  amount paid  by almost                                                              
$2.4 billion, she said.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:30:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH  raised the  issue of whether  there has                                                              
been  any consideration  of  what will  happen  to remaining  plan                                                              
assets  if  there  are no  more  beneficiaries  entitled  to  plan                                                              
benefits,  but  there   are  still  assets  in  the   plan.    She                                                              
referenced  a  situation  in  which   a  plan  with  no  remaining                                                              
beneficiaries had  millions of dollars  in plan assets left.   The                                                              
result  was litigation  to  determine  what to  do  with the  plan                                                              
assets,  a  result   that  could  have  been  avoided   with  some                                                              
forethought, she noted.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MILLHORN said  she is  not aware  whether the  aforementioned                                                              
scenario described  has been considered.   Ms. Millhorn  explained                                                              
that  retirees  who  return  to  work have  to  pay  past  service                                                              
associated  with that  member's  return to  state  employment.   A                                                              
returning retiree is  no longer able to use their  retiree medical                                                              
plan, they must use the active plan, she said.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:35:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JANET  CLARKE, Assistant  Commissioner, Department  of Health  and                                                              
Social  Services, said  that Medicaid  costs  present a  long-term                                                              
challenge for the  state budget.  She reminded  the committee that                                                              
Medicaid is  the state-federal  partnership program  that provides                                                              
health  care  coverage  for  low-income  individuals:    children,                                                              
adults,  and  the  elderly.    Ms.  Clarke  referred  to  a  study                                                              
prepared by  The Lewin Group for  the Alaska Department  of Health                                                              
and  Social  Services  titled, "Long  Term  Forecast  of  Medicaid                                                              
Enrollment   and   Spending   in    Alaska:   2005-2025"   ("Lewin                                                              
forecast").   She noted that many  of the program trends  she will                                                              
present  to  the committee  today  were  identified by  the  Lewin                                                              
forecast.   Ms. Clarke presented  her testimony with  a PowerPoint                                                              
presentation  provided  to  the committee  titled  "Department  of                                                              
Health  and Social  Services Presentation  to the  House Ways  and                                                              
Means Committee, February 5, 2007."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CLARKE told  the committee  that past  Medicaid spending  was                                                              
primarily on  children up to age  19, but future  predictions show                                                              
that Medicaid spending  on those over age 35 will  increase in the                                                              
next 20 years.   This trend  is depicted on the  chart sub-titled,                                                              
"Alaska's  population  growth  will  be driven  by  the  elderly."                                                              
From 2006 to  2026, the elderly population of  Alaska is predicted                                                              
to  increase from  6 percent  to over  16 percent  of the  state's                                                              
population.   The elderly  population uses  long-term care,  which                                                              
is one  of the most  expensive parts of  the Medicaid  program, so                                                              
the  increase in  the  elderly  population greatly  increases  the                                                              
state's Medicaid costs, said Ms. Clarke.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CLARKE  reminded the  committee  that  Medicaid is  a  state-                                                              
federal  partnership  and  currently the  state  receives  federal                                                              
funding at almost  58 percent, so for every dollar  Alaska spends,                                                              
almost  58 cents  of that  is federal  money.   Alaska's  Medicaid                                                              
spending  is projected  to grow  7.9 percent,  from 2006 to  2026.                                                              
Without calculating  for  inflation, this  results in an  increase                                                              
in spending  from $1  billion in  2006 to  $4.86 billion  in 2026,                                                              
she concluded.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:41:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HAWKER noted  the care that  went into  the Lewin  forecast                                                              
which resulted  in an accurate  projection of the  state's current                                                              
program.   He warned that the  federal contribution amount  may be                                                              
lowered to around 53 percent due to federal statutory changes.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. CLARKE  informed the committee  that the federal money  is not                                                              
inflation  proofed and  Alaska's  contribution rate  will drop  to                                                              
52.48  percent  in  October  2007  unless there  is  a  change  in                                                              
federal law.   The Division of Retirement and  Benefits is working                                                              
with other  states to find  ways to avoid  a reduction  in federal                                                              
spending, she said.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. CLARKE referenced  the graph titled, "Spending  on the Elderly                                                              
will  Surpass  Spending  on Working-Age  Adults  and  Children  by                                                              
2019."   Increased  costs for  the elderly  reflect a  fundamental                                                              
and  expensive   shift  in  the   program,  which   has  typically                                                              
concentrated on  children, Ms. Clarke  said.  She  emphasized that                                                              
state  general  fund spending  on  Medicaid  will increase  at  an                                                              
average annual  rate of  8.6 percent,  rising from $363.1  million                                                              
in 2006 to $205 billion in 2026.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:51:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  asked whether  the  program  had to  offer                                                              
everything, such as long-term care, to beneficiaries.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. CLARKE  replied that  the legislature has  a lot  of influence                                                              
on  the  policy  choices  of what  services  will  be  covered  by                                                              
Medicaid.    The  federal  government   lists  some  services  and                                                              
coverage as mandatory,  others are optional.  Some  long-term care                                                              
coverage is  mandatory, but choices can  be made on the  number of                                                              
nursing home beds,  she noted.  The legislature does  have quite a                                                              
bit  of choice  with  regard  to the  path  of this  program,  she                                                              
stated.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:54:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WILSON  questioned  whether federal  funding  will                                                              
increase as shown  on the graph titled, "Projected  Total Spending                                                              
on Medicaid by Fund Source."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. CLARKE  replied that the  graph referred to  by Representative                                                              
Wilson is based on current federal policy.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. CLARKE compared  the 2005-2025 Medicaid forecast  to the 2006-                                                              
2026 forecast  and noted that overall  state spending for  2025 is                                                              
predicted  to be  8.8  percent lower  than  was  predicted in  the                                                              
2005-2025 forecast.   This may be  due in part to  some regulatory                                                              
changes in  the personal care  attendant program developed  by the                                                              
DOA in  conjunction with the legislature.   This policy  change is                                                              
one of many factors  that have contributed to  some flattening out                                                              
of  Medicaid  spending,  she  said.     Ms.  Clarke  concluded  by                                                              
reminding the committee  that legislative policy  choices can make                                                              
a difference in the long-term forecast.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
There being  no further business  before the committee,  the House                                                              
Special  Committee on  Ways  and Means  meeting  was adjourned  at                                                              
5:04:40 PM.                                                                                                                   

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